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Post by Melkorhildran on Oct 12, 2004 15:35:26 GMT -5
look I practically study this stuff (I'm sure many of you do too) and in several different context... drake, dragon, serpent, snake, worm, verm, wyrm, wyvern, wurm, vurm, drakkon all mean the same...although I find dragon is often for flying types...
also Ulug, Foaloki, uruloki are all types of dragons in lotr.
Ulug is an ancient word meaning serpent which came from an ancient root-word meaning wolf Foaloki is a dragon that hoards treasure or one this IS hoarding treasure.
Uruloki means something like 'fire-sepent'. Glaurung was a Uruloki and I guess could also be a foaloki as he did hoard the treasures of Nargothrond.
EDIT: Ebob, if you make dwarves I will give you a high 5 via a post and then I'll consider buying from you!
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Post by eBob on Oct 13, 2004 5:45:20 GMT -5
OK - well this is very simple to sort out. For one who studies this subject - dragons, serpents and Wyverns are most certainly not the same things at all - they are not even related (although they are all ficticious anyway of course!)
A flying serpent as the name would suggest - has no legs. It is a creature from North American culture originally - called QUETZALCOATL.
A Wyvern has only 2 legs - the hind ones - the 'arms' forming the wings in much the same way as a bat. The LOTR Fell beast is a type of Wyvern.
A Dragon has 4 legs plus additional wings - effectively 6 limbs.
The first drawing I posted earlier is an original drawing of Smaug from the book and clearly shows front legs - while his body is very thin, he can only be a dragon by definition. He is the classic Fire-breathing red dragon.
If you can find any actual reference in the book to the contrary let us know where you found it. To my recollection he is only ever referred to as Smaug - but he is huge - talks, flies, and breaths fire.
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Post by eBob on Oct 13, 2004 6:03:34 GMT -5
At the end of the day - it's all made up anyway. A quick scan on the internet indicates that a Wyrm is not a Wyvern. All images of Wyverns show 2 legs (or at least they should do) - whereas all the images I found relating to the word 'Wyrm' show 4 plus the wings. Yet the following link defines a Wyrm as a 'Drake' and a 'Drake' is defined as a Dragon with no wings. www.wyrm.org.uk/wyrm/This would contradict Smaug being a Wyrm. This is going round in circles!!
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Post by Adam Troke on Oct 15, 2004 4:47:23 GMT -5
Smaug is the last of the Great Fire Drakes. That also, i believe makes him a dragon.
Adam
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Post by thedragon on Oct 15, 2004 12:18:31 GMT -5
whatever, theyre all dragons to me! btw, adam, great harad articles in wd, escpecially the mumak tactics one
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Post by Melkorhildran on Oct 24, 2004 18:54:36 GMT -5
I meant in different contexts....o well, like Ebob said it all comes down to they are made up...I hope...sort of.
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Post by goblin_king on Dec 27, 2004 10:45:02 GMT -5
wyverns have a scorpion like stinger as well.
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Post by angus147258 on Mar 9, 2005 11:20:18 GMT -5
This may sound dorky but he's a winged fire drake(winged drake aka wyrm). other dragons like antharas are "tanks" wich are just big and heavy with each tooth as powerful as a berserkers blow. The other most common dragons are striders(a dragon without wings and they have a hard plate on thier head) or (I don't know if this is considered a dragon) hatchlings.
Cheers! ;D
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